Sorry I did not reply sooner, first chance I had to sit down with my computer. I just checked the Moss Rock Endurance site, my saddle is the 14th one down from the top. Good luck with a saddle, there are so many nice saddle brands out there right now, its so hard to choose. I also looked into treeless, and narrowed it down, Abby from Saddling Soultions was fantastic to talk to, her knowledge on treeless saddles is amazing. If I went treeless, I was going to try the startrek western saddle, that was the best choice for my fat, short backed, huge shoulder TWH!