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abbypeaches

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FOUNDERED!
« on: April 19, 2017, 10:04:50 am »

So, the 12 y.o.  MFT gelding that I was given ( I was so dumb) has 11 degrees of coffin rotation in one front hoof and 14 in the other. The vet did xrays yesterday. I was devastated but I should have known and not trusted the guy who unloaded him on me. I was so starry-eyed that I was being given a horse with really good bloodlines. I have him in training at a facility for $500/ mo. The trainer thought he was in a little pain so didn't work him very hard and suggested the xrays. I finally got to ride him(mostly walking) for the first time last weekend. Now he cannot be ridden for a year while the farrier works on his angles. I am so DUMB!
  Marilyn
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kckc

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Re: FOUNDERED!
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2017, 10:44:51 am »

Oh no, what a stinking terrible thing for someone to do
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Re: FOUNDERED!
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2017, 12:29:00 pm »

Oh, no!  I'm so sorry you ended up with a much different situation than you thought you were getting.
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Re: FOUNDERED!
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2017, 01:52:45 pm »

I'm so sorry--we had a similar situation w/ my husband's Appaloosa.  He wasn't given to us, but when he came into our lives we thought it was greatest blessing we could ever have hoped for.  Turned out that he'd likely had low level chronic laminitis for most of his life.  Best wishes on a successful recovery.
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Re: FOUNDERED!
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2017, 02:46:51 pm »

Oh this is so sad, sorry for this to have happened.

Start feeding him HB-15.  2 scoops am/pm.  It is alot, but it really grows the feet.  If it is too much for his body he will pee out what he doesn't need.

Get xrays, then have shoer show according.  He can get those angles back.

Remember, unless you had baseline xrays before he foundered, he may not have rotated as much as you think.  Not every horse has text book angles according to their leg bones, pastern angle, etc. 

A very good farrier, with very good experience is required.  Farrier should do some pour in pads to give him support, and angle shoes.  It will take time, but keep positive.  Chin up!

Not all is lost.  Crank up the biotin.  Some horses respond others do not.  My rm DOES respond really well to biotin, and her feet grow like crazy, not to mention her coat looks awesome.  HB 15 is a really good product.  I got mine from Jeffersequine dot com, and bought it 2-4 buckets at a time.

And yes I DO have experience with a foundered horse, and yes he was mine.  He was brought back to normal riding with in 6 months.  His founder was really really bad too. 

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Re: FOUNDERED!
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2017, 10:25:07 am »

Sorry, that man sure leaves a sour taste in your mouth.  So, how is the other one doing that your friend took?  When you told about the hard time loading I wondered how things would turn out but this sure wasn't the direction I expected.  Hang in there I'm sure it will get better and in the end you'll have a very nice horse.  He definitely needed you.
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Re: FOUNDERED!
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2017, 07:59:09 pm »

Thanks,everyone, for the moral support. I needed it. I learned a hard lesson. I am improving his(Roy's) life after all. The thing is, he is still overweight and still needs to be worked to get it off. Susan, the trainer, wants to pony him off of her horse so mine gets some trail experience. He has never been out on a trail before. The farrier is going to look at the xrays next Tuesday and see what can be done. He is supposed to be a really good farrier and works well with the vet who did the xrays. I just didn't plan to keep paying the $500/mo boarding/training fee all summer. Plus I have the upkeep on my aged gelding(Bud) here at home who cannot eat hay. He is going thru about 2.5 bags of timothy pellets/week plus his supplements. I don't feel that I have the confidence to handle Roy here at home either. He acts like a scared hyperactive ADD kid...but at 1000+ pounds. I could retire in September but at the rate I'm paying for my horse habit, I guess I won't be leaving my job any time soon.
  Roy's brother(Mo) got xrayed too. His feet are surprisingly ok but he has a bone chip interfering with one knee which may be why he doesn't want to be handled much. He is lagging behind in his training. Surgery for him will be about $2000 which is a stretch for his owner(Char). Anybody want to buy a nice MFT mare from her(she has nine to sell)? They all have good bloodlines. Oh the joys of horse ownership.
 Thanks for reading all this. It wasn't supposed to be this complicated.
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PAWalker

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Re: FOUNDERED!
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2017, 05:02:29 am »

Marilyn, I am so very sorry ---- this is a club nobody wants to belong to.

They must have measured to the ground to get the degrees.  Joker was measured from the dorsal wall when he first foundered and 8-9 degrees on the LF, 5 degrees on the RF.  it was a miracle Joker didn't sink on the LF and it sounds like your horse was close.

The best thing I read from you is that your new farrier works well with the vet.  I can't say how critical that is.

A series of things happened since Joker's first founder in 2012 that it ended up the vet ordered me to bring him to the clinic for his farrier to shoe, last November.

Joker has been in aluminum full rocker shoes since November, 2016.  I have to carry him to the vet every five weeks for a re-set.  That meant digging the horse trailer out of where it had been sitting since 2007, put a new floor in :o

These are the shoes Joker wears.  The improvement in his comfort level was immediate.  He has de-rotated so much in five months, the vet declared I could lightly ride him.

http://www.nanric.com/when_to_use_the_rocker_shoe.html

^^^^Ric Redden (Nanric) is a highly respected equine podiatrist in KY.  My vet is a leg/hoof specialist and works closely with him. 

Dr. redden DOES do phone consultations, if your vet is interested.

I also have Joker on "Nanric's Extra Strength Biotin 100".  One thing Joker has always had in his favor is strong and thick hoof wall so I'm not sure how much the Biotin helps him; I'm too afraid to take it off.

To reiterate, The BEST thing you have in your favor is the vet and farrier working together.

When Joker's shoes come off, he gets xrayed, the vet tells the farrier precisely how he wants the hooves trimmed. 

Farrier trims, tacks the shoes on with two nails, takes him to the X-ray area for another set of X-rays.

If the vet doesn't like what he sees, I have seen him make the farrier take the shoes off and shave off another millimeter of hoof.

My vet charges me $25 per hoof X-ray and the farrier charges $85 regardless of whether it's a reset or new shoes on the front.  The back hooves just get a trim.

until last November, Joker had been barefoot since 2007.  When the vet explained what these aluminum rockers do, I said I would try. 

They are the best thing to come down the pike for Joker.  If you can try them, I think your horse might also benefit from them.

Best of luck --- it's an ugly, gut wrenching, tearful process nobody should have to go thru.

The worthless a** that gave you the horse needs my rusty old pig de-nutters used on him.  If you're diligent about hoof care and strict with the horse's diet, you can bring him back.  It takes a qualified professional team working together and a very dedicated-don't-give-up owner.  You can get discouraged, just don't give up :D :D
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abbypeaches

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Re: FOUNDERED!
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2017, 06:51:34 pm »

Very interesting article PAWalker. Now I will be more informed when I speak with my vet & the farrier next Tues. Thanks so much!
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Re: FOUNDERED! Update
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2017, 10:32:44 am »

A trainer/farrier friend of my trainer has agreed to take both of the horses & work with them! He knows all about their health histories. I am so thankful for my trainer who knows lots of good people!
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Re: FOUNDERED!
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2017, 07:50:17 am »

OSPHOS OSPHOS OSPHOS


https://www.fda.gov/animalveterinary/resourcesforyou/ucm406581.htm

http://horse-journal.com/blog/osphos-25037

My friend's horse was for sale last Spring, no soundness issues, was xrayed by my vet- rotation in both fores- my farrier treated him with OSPHOS- 3 months later- same vet xrayed him again- NO ROTATION.

please look into it.
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