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KysaSD

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Turmeric for horses
« on: April 29, 2016, 07:29:13 am »

Just starting a new topic to discuss this, and maybe chronicle it in my horses.

I have been taking turmeric for about 2 months now.  My most painful arthritis has been my first thumb joint, squeezing that would send me to the ceiling!  2 months later, I can squeeze that joint plenty and there is no pain. 

And an examination of Belle the new pony is that she has an old injury and significant arthritis in the left front knee joint.  We had cortisone and hyaluronic acid injected, which is supposed to keep he comfortable for the summer, and also put her on a glucosamine supplement.  But I thought to try turmeric.  And Hannah...at 20-22, she is just getting old and stiff. 

First try was yesterday, and I just put 1/2 tsp of turmeric powder mixed with ground pepper in their feed. I just wanted to see if they would eat it, before trying to move up to a therapeutic dose.    Both horses licked it up....although with Belle it was cheating.  Her glucosamine is in a molasses base, so she will basically eat anything else the molasses is poured over.  But for Hannah, it was just a little bit of Total Equine, water and turmeric.  She has many other supplements, and I did not want to risk her not eating those.  So I did the turmeric test separate from her other feed.  She ate it down, seemed to like it.  So I will be adding that to her. 

I do need to figure out what is the therapeutic dose for a horse.  And I think I need to get a cheap pepper grinder to have in the barn so it is easy to add the fresh ground pepper.  I add coconut oil to the paste I make for myself.  I need to find out if the oil is necessary for results.
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Re: Turmeric for horses
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2016, 10:39:03 am »

I added you to facebook group re: turmeric.  They have a lot of files regarding different species that might be of interest.    And yes, they claim you need oil/pepper/turmeric regardless of species.
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Re: Turmeric for horses
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2016, 09:29:39 pm »

Kysa, I would like to respond to several different things here, first, people - I have had such painful arthritis in my hands, especially my thumbs, that, like you, if anyone touched my thumb anywhere near the lower joint, I would about go into the stratosphere.  I had a hand specialist (that I had to have a surgery to repair a broken, dislocated bone), tell me that I really needed a joint replacement on each thumb.  I started taking Turmeric, because I was giving it to my horse, Milo, who foundered back in 12/14, and who was in such terrible agony with severe laminitis for so long.  I cannot believe how much better I feel.  A good friend of mine, who I KNOW researches everything because he suffers from Chrones (sp) disease, told me also about a supplement called Great Lakes Gelatin - Collagen Hydrolysate.  You can go to www.armworks.com or iHerb to get it for the best price.  It is beef collegen, and it works GREAT, not only for pain, but I have also noticed it is helping me with energy as well as I am not as depressed - and I had been taking an Rx anti-depressant for years - I have been able to cut it back almost entirely. 

AND they also make it for dogs and horses - you can buy that at www.armworks.com as well.  I have 2 REALLY old big dogs who, although they are doing well since I put them on a raw diet, just didn't have the energy they used to...it's been 3 weeks now since I put them on the dog version, and they are literally running and jumping around outside - if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I would never have believed it.

On to the horses and Turmeric.  I started giving Milo the Turmeric, with the fresh ground pepper, mixed with a supplement from the company that I am a dealer for their feed (which, if you have not tried it, you might consider going to their website and seeing if there is a dealer anywhere near you, because I have used every premium feed on the market, including Total Equine, and nothing even comes close to touching this feed and the benefits I see in my entire herd.  I'll get to that in a minute...

The supplement I was mixing the Turmeric with was called "Powerstance" and it is powdered coconut oil - much less messy than regular coconut oil.  Milo has really improved so much since I started giving him that, at the suggestion of the woman who is my distributor for the feed.  And, the turning point for him really came when I started him on the feed.  Up till then, all he did was lie down, almost all day long.  He was on tons of Bute (which I HATED giving him, but he was in so much pain, I just could not let him suffer.  Within 10 days of starting him on the feed, (and nothing else in his diet changed), he got up and started moving around.  I was just incredulous, and immediately put my entire herd on it.  I have Milo, who is a coming 13 y/o TWH gelding who has EMS and IR, Grace, an 11 y/o STB rescue mare - in good health, Wes, 13 y/o rescued TB gelding - in good health as well, Hanz - 21 y/o Hanovarian/appy something cross gelding - in good health, and at the time, I still had Gypsy, Milo's dam, 25, who was in EXCELLENT health for her age.  Oh, and Shiroh, the Shetland pony we rescued several years back who is blind in one eye and has ERU in the other.

ALL of them have a coat so shiny it would blind you (and I am ashamed to say that they seldom get groomed, and I honestly can't remember the last time they had a bath, other than the rain - my bad!).  Those who had minor foot issues - their feet improved to the point that my farrier remarked on it.  Hanz, who had a sunken topline - his topline came up 3 inches and filled in.  They all have dapples.  Wes, who was your typical reactive "hot" OTTB, has become the most calm, docile fellow.  I was so impressed that I decided to become a dealer, just because there were no dealers within 2 hours of me and I wasn't about to be driving 4 hours everytime I needed feed. 

The feed is called "Cool Stance" and is made by Stance Equine (of Australia).  www.stanceequineusa.com It is certified organic, Non GMO, made from ground coconut meal (the only ingredient), and has the lowest NSC rating of ANY commercial feed available (<11%), so it is fabulous for horses who have issues like Milo, as well as works wonders for Cushings, Tying up, and almost every other illness/condition you could name.  It is high in protein (18%), but it provides "cool" calories - hence the name.  Helps them to focus better, gives them a more pleasant disposition, helps with mare hormonal issues, has 30% fiber, and fat from the coconut oil - which is a medium chain fatty acid - the most easily, readily and completely absorbed into the body.  You can feed it wet (preferred) or dry - and it INSTANTLY soaks up the water and doubles in volume.  The recommended amount per day is 2 lbs (4 cups am and pm) but the only horse I have on that much is Levi, the horse I rescued from the Bastrop, LA kill pen in October - he was sorely in need of groceries, and this has really helped him - my vet was here the other day (she came the day after he got here) and she could hardly believe it was the same horse.  Milo and the pony each get the same amount - 1 cup am & pm.  Milo, because he gains weight on air, and the pony because, well, he's a tiny pony.  The others get 2 cups am & pm.  The only horse who gets supplements is Milo, but he needs specific ones for his condition.  The cost of the bag is MSRP - $35.95, for a 44 lb bag.  Everyone gasps, but, at 2 lbs per day (and remember I am feeding half or less than half of that to most of my herd), that works out to $12.00 per week.  Not bad for a premium feed with all those benefits.

Now to the Turmeric - they recently released a new product in the US called "Tumericle", which is the Turmeric, pepper, powdered coconut oil and Resveratrol, all combined in a very easy to feed supplement.  It's a tad on the pricy side, but when I worked out having to buy all the stuff separately, and then mix together (and my hands appreciated not having to grind the pepper all the time), it is so worth it.  Grace recently started up with some skin issues - allergies - on her neck, so I started her on it, as well as made up a spray from some essential oils that I have been applying topically, and the problem is almost all gone. 

If you have an interest, and just don't have a dealer very near, if there is one near enough that you can at least buy a couple of bags and start maybe one horse on it, and see how they do, if you like it, you might consider becoming a dealer yourself, especially since you have a store.  You have to buy a pallet at a time, which is 45 bags, that costs between $1000 and $1100.  If you sell an entire pallet, you make about $400.  For me, even if I had no customers, being able to feed all my horses at wholesale pricing is worth coughing up the $ to buy the pallet.  But, everyone who has inquired about it and tried it is nuts about it.  And, 99% of horses love it right off the bat. 

Hope this is informative!  And, you can get TONS of info from the Stance website.  BTW, if it works, I'm attaching a pic of Hanz - the older gelding who the feed brought his topline back.
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Re: Turmeric for horses
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2016, 09:36:16 pm »

PS.  I consulted with Dr. Joyce Harman, of Harmany Equine in VA - one of the world's foremost authorities on laminitis, and when I told her I had started Milo on Cool Stance, she said "That's about the best feed available" - also have had his hair analyzed for minerals at www.horsehairanalysis.com - who she referred me to when I said I was looking for something like that, and Dr. DePaulo (who is the vet who runs that company) also highly recommends the Cool Stance.  I know this is off the topic of the Turmeric, but both of those vets also recommended Turmeric as well because of it's great anti-inflammatory properties.
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Re: Turmeric for horses
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2016, 07:44:30 am »

Hi, wanted to add a couple comments on the turmeric and the bovine collegen:

1.  I am afraid to give the turmeric to my IR horse as he is on a prescription herbal compound to control his insulin.  I don't add anything to his diet without first consulting the vet as the herbal compound has about 20 herbs, many of which I never heard of, can't spell, and can't pronounce.

But it works.  In 2012 his insulin reading was a little over 300.  It has been staying around 94 with the herbal compound and he just had a CBC and chemistry panel done in March.

2.  Collegen.  Ditto Mscrittermagnet.  I have only been taking the Verisol brand for a couple weeks and can see a huge difference in energy & drive level.  Not a jittery energy, just a I think I still feel like doing something else today.

What is important about collegen, from my readings, is that we want to be sure and buy bovine collegen such as Mscrittermagnet is referring to.  The other types (chicken and I think pig?)  are higher in calcium and not a good thing.

3.  Resveratrol:  I just bought "EquiThrive Joint" for horses with Resveratrol in it.  I have been waiting to use up the Kinetic Conquer before starting it on Joker, my IR horse.  He will get his first (and vet approved) dose Sunday morning, so I have yet to see if it is more efficient than Kinetic Conquer.

If I see that it works on him, I might try it on myself.  I say might because I have inherited high blood pressure and it took the doctor three tries to get the correct med and dosage to control it.  Even the most inconsequential vitamins and some teas give me a bad reaction.  I can't just jump into to try something without researching the "what ifs".

I have always been for things holistic, whenever possible but they have to be also be tempered with common sense.  What works for some may not work for others:)
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Re: Turmeric for horses
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2016, 12:32:56 pm »

@PA Walker - My IR horse is on several different things - He is on a customized detox supplement from HorseHairAnalysis.com, based on the findings on the mineral testing done on his mane about 9 months ago.  Also from that same site, he is on their Lysine for his feet, as well as their "Harmony" blend, which is specifically to properly regulate Insulin.  He gets the "Tumericle" from stanceequineusa.com, which contains the Turmeric, pepper, powdered coconut oil and resveratrol, and really helps with any kind of inflammation.  He has really done fantastic since I started the Tumericle.  The only thing I am considering putting him back on is Dr. Joyce Harman's "OB" blend, which is to help with weight loss in these types of horses.  He was on it for about 4 months and had lost enough (he wasn't obese to begin with but has always been an easy keeper), and has been off of it for about 4 months, and I am seeing the weigh beginning to creep back - my vet was here recently and just said he shouldn't get any heavier.  Since he seems to not be having any foot pain, I think I'm going to try to start riding him just around our property for 20-30 minutes per day to try to get some actual exercise. 

I haven't tried the Collagen protein for my horse(s) yet - but I do have to say that the human and dog variety really do show a noticeable difference.
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Re: Turmeric for horses
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2016, 08:52:08 am »

Kysa I have spoken to Dr.Getty personally. She is my hired equine nutritionist for my IR horse. The oil is necessary to give with the turmeric. She suggests the flax I already grind fresh is all the oil needed. I asked about this new information flying around the internet about the need to add fresh ground pepper .  She stated that is not substantiated or tested that horses can even tolerate pepper or that turmeric is activated by the pepper. So there you go more stuff on the internet that you really have to figure out what's based in science.
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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2016, 08:01:09 pm »

I am a believer in it. Have been feeding it to my horse and taking it myself for the past 3 months. I make the Golden paste. Am a member of the Turmeric user group. It has helped with my arthritis flare ups and love how my skin feels. The best results that I have seen so far have been with my horse. I feed the GP and use the turmeric and coconut oil topically(no pepper topically). I have found that it is great for wounds and bug bites(no seeums, ticks, flies, I think it may even slow these buggers down). I mix the turmeric powder with the coconut oil and apply it on the bites. In the summer my horse usually bites at his sheath(leaving teeth marks) and under his legs to itch the bites. I have tried many horse products to combat this and nothing has really worked. I started applying the Turmeric and coconut oil twice a week for the past 3 months. (we are well into summer here in Fl) And the results are so exciting for me to see that my horse is more relaxed and not biting at these areas any more. I even rub it in his ears and no ear rubbing. Tail rubbing has even stopped. And that would be from the paste internally. I think it helps overall with itchiness. Joint stiffness has improved also. Like I said at the beginning I am a believer. I have seen great results. His coat even looks better.
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Re: Turmeric for horses
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2016, 09:44:10 pm »

so you are mixing turmeric and coconut oil and put it on topically?  I have a horse with some fly allergies ... think it would help?  Also a recommendation for purchasing the turmeric?
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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2016, 05:48:41 am »

I just bought 4 pounds of turmeric from herbnhorse.com.  I think it $5.65 a pound.
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2016, 06:11:23 am »

http://missysspiceshop.com/products?keywords=turmeric
http://www.myspicesage.com/search/go?w=turmeric&asug=
Here are a couple of places that I have used. I buy the organic but I don't think it is needed. that's just me.
The coconut oil I get from Walmart. Carrington Farms organic unrefined cold pressed. I will buy this in organic. It is pricey but last a long time. I buy the 54 ounce jar. You can also get the Turmeric and oil on Amazon if you use them. They sell the Frontier brand of the T.
I feed the T internally in the form of a paste that is cooked and has the pepper and coconut added. I also add some Ceylon cinnamon to ward off a cat pee smell that animals get from eating this. People have had great success with their cats and dogs being fed this, especially arthritic dogs. My dogs are gone so don't have any experience with this.
As far as the horse I believe that feeding it has boosted his immune system and has helped with the itchiness.
You do have to start out feeding slowly and often as the T does not stay in the system very long and you don't have to make the paste for the horse, it can be fed in their grain, just dump the powder, fresh ground pepper and oil on top. I feed the paste because it is easier for me since I make it for myself and just use that for my horse. He loves the taste.
When used topically be sure to use gloves the T will stain a yellow color, my horse has white legs and have used it on some sores there and it turns yellow, but eventually fades.
The Turmeric user group on face book has really been helpful.
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2016, 02:13:08 pm »

just saw this posted (not by someone I know personally) and recalled Kysa or someone was looking for tumeric (maybe it was turmeric?) in bulk

"Dutch Valley Food Distributors.Its Amish owned and trustworthy.We buy 25lbs of ground Turmeric"
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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2016, 02:58:56 pm »

Big Ds  has added Peak Performance Nutrients
turmeric Powder 1 lb  34.99.
I don't feed it but did see that they have it  and there is a write up on the product on the page.
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2016, 03:08:00 pm »

I am currently buying it from herbnhorse.com for $5.95 per 1 pound and $7.95 shipping on the whole order.
I buy 5 pounds at a time.

Update on the horse getting Turmeric.
Dolly, no effect, that is another thread.

Belle, 10 years old.  Previous injury and bone shards and arthritis in front knee.  No, not really operable, too late for that.
The Turmeric, plus a joint supplement is keeping her rideable by children.  No limping at a walk, slight occasional limping at gait.  I limit her to 100 pound or less riders, which is basically all the grandkids.  She has been a good pony.

Hannah, ~22 years old.  She has other issues, mostly as side effects from dexamethasone that she needed for heat induced heaves in Texas.  NO heaves in SD.
She gets Turmeric, plus jiaogulan and vitex. 
She does not seem to have any pain, and honestly is looking great.  SD grass also agrees with her.  I guess I keep her on this as she eats it and she is doing great.

Human...that would be me.  SIGNIFICANT decrease in arthritic pain in my hands and fingers.  I will keep me on it, too!  I don't know if it is affect the arthritis in my hips, I was already taking fish oil and glucosamine for that, and it was helping.
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